annspal ([info]annspal) wrote in [info]spnematography,

The Visual Story at a Glance: "Jump the Shark" (4x19)

I'm unspoiled beyond 4x19, but I am prone to wild speculations.... *g*

The boys find that their father had another son who he only became aware of at age twelve. Further, they realize John made something of a place for himself in the kid's life for the next four or so years. Birthdays at baseball games, fishing trips, driving, poker, and pool lessons. The kid's had the opportunity to become kind of perfect - an eagle scout, honor student, and now attending college in a pre-med track.

Sam and Dean react differently to the idea of Adam. Sam is open to the idea - insisting the research allows for the possibility. Dean considers it a trap and needs convincing which occurs mostly through photo evidence. Sam readily takes Adam under his wing and wants to train him for hunting to protect him from the Winchester Curse. Dean is equally certain they should respect the set up for ignorance and normalcy that John must have felt protected the kid.

But what about Mary? She's not absent from this.

Kate in John's embrace?  (Where is this supposed to have been taken? I doubt Windom, Minnesota has that kind of busy background?)
419 Kate John photo hug

Is very like the photo on Mary's nightstand in the pilot... the same shot Sam has with him at Stanford.
101 Mary jon photo hug   101 Sam mary John photo hug

Then there are Kate's dressertop with its ceramic pink roses as Dean investigates and ...
419 ceramic pink roses

... the pink rose botanicals behind Dean on the walls of Kate's home.
419 Dean pink rose botanical print

Since Mary is associated with pink roses as noted by [info]hearseeno. (I believe I'm missing another helpful link; please point to it in the comments! Found! meta on Mary and roses by [info]sadelyrate. I knew this was worth remembering!), I'd assume we're meant to think John is consistent in the women he's able to experience genuine affection for and have a family with?  I'm leaning toward the idea that it makes things easier if this Kate woman is someone Dean (and we) can actually see John with and think about as a person Mary would have approved of. (Do we talk about the photoshopping? I'm not sure I'm ready to shift my view of John enough to see him taking off his wedding ring for weekends in Minnesota.)

But then, the episode isn't done with Mary!  Dean is determined to find what is after Adam so that it will be safe for him to continue in the civilian life John apparently wanted for the kid. He's stuck and ends up in a bar and is greeted by the bartender, who is wearing a shirt almost a twin to the one worn by1973's hunter Mary.
419 Lisa rose shirt   403 mary rose shirt


This character seems to be an amalgam of women Dean has positive feelings about and is predisposed to accept. Besides the obvious physical resemblance to Mary, her name is Lisa Barton (just a tick away from Lisa Braedon who Dean thought might actually be mother to his own child). She is a no nonsense older bartender whose missing husband apparently worked with John many years ago on a case.  (Gee, I'd like to know what Ellen is doing these days.)  

I'd be very curious to hear other ideas about this Lisa. I'm thinking of her like Sam's teacher from After School Special. She's there to encourage Dean and help him focus. She says, "I was scared they stopped looking. Now you're here," with gratitude when Dean acknowledges he's there to look into her husband's disappearance. At that point he's able to start making connections between John's old case and the current threat against Adam.

Bigger than that (and because I can't bear to waste an opportunity to speculate), I'd wonder if she isn't encouraging Dean to keep looking... for the truth behind the secrets and lies filling season four. Has anyone been able to look back and find foreshadowing that Adam was going to turn out to be a monster? The strongest I can find is in Dean's "It's a trap" instinct. He turned out correct, of course, but I'm not sure the story was headed there while Mary was a presence in the episode.


edit: I forgot to credit [info]oxoniensis for the caps!
edit2: to add links (thanks much, [info]hugemind!) and tag
edit3: to sneak in a cap of Kate's bedding with woven floral stripes noticed by [info]shorofsky 
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edit4: to drop a link to [info]bowtrunckle's look at 2.20 What Is and What Should Never Be. Lots of Mary associated with pink roses images!



Tags: 4x19, season 4, the visual story

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[info]hugemind

April 27 2009, 20:21:31 UTC 3 years ago

Ooh, I didn't notice the roses on the dresser or on the wall at all. Although I did wonder why bartender!Lisa's shirt was so close to hunter!Mary's shirt, but I like your view that she has traits that make Dean accept her.

And I know that [info]sadelyrate has also talked about Mary and roses here.

[info]annspal

April 27 2009, 23:25:11 UTC 3 years ago

Thanks for the link! I didn't catch the dresser roses until I was actively looking, but the rose botanical prints (there are more than one, I believe) jumped up and waved at me. That shirt couldn't be an accidental costuming choice, but I'm not sure we've got enough understanding to come up with a complete explanation. I'm for sure open to more theories.

[info]hearseeno

April 27 2009, 23:57:19 UTC 3 years ago

Oh CRAP! Did I not credit Sadelyrate with that Mary=rose idea? *peers at meta* dagNAbit. *fixes meta and sticks head in toilet*

Yeah, wasn't it interesting how much Mary was present in that episode without her even once being referred to directly? The roses, the woman with blonde hair, the white shirt with the red rose embroidery... With as much as Dean's view of his father is maturing this season it makes me long to see how he would react to meeting up with the adult-version of his mother again. That last look was full of pity and sorrow in In the Beginning, but she's fallen quite far from the pedestal he had her on in WIAWSNB. *sniff* Our Dean, he's growing up. *g*

Also, by the time In the Beginning hit, I think I pretty much settled on Roses/flowers=secrets, in the vein of the subrosa concept Sadelyrate pointed out and the image of flowers opening up petal by petal to reveal what's inside.

So, Mary's presence has always been associated with flowers, and she had her secrets.

Dean shows up at Sam's motel room door and the first scene in which their together there's this incongruous well-lit red flower glowing outside a second story window in between them - and all of Sam's secrets.

This episode was chock-full of flowers associated with anything that had to do with the ghouls, particularly once ghoul!Adam showed upon the scene, or with the secret of John's other family.

[info]annspal

April 28 2009, 01:01:40 UTC 3 years ago

Yeah. Secrets (and lies) are as big a theme for the season as choice and destiny. I can't being to say how rich and layered this season has been in my view and how very well that has worked for me.

(Will you check your meta for a broken "mary and roses" image link in the "Mary in WiaWSNB" subheading of Part A? I'm hoping it is one I remember and haven't been able to find again.)

[info]yourlibrarian

April 27 2009, 22:51:31 UTC 3 years ago

Yes, I wondered about that background to John and Kate's picture also. Between that and the fishing it almost seems like John took them on the road with him.

[info]annspal

April 27 2009, 23:46:27 UTC 3 years ago

I think John came across as more a part of Kate and Adam's lives than would have been likely - mostly due to those photos. (Has anyone figured out how John could have taught Adam to drive in the Impala? By the time he was 12, Dean would have been 23. I just assumed Dean had taken custody of the car by then.)

For what it's worth, I was always satisfied that the 'off' photoshopping in "What Is and What Should Never Be" was an indicator and/or result of appearing in a dream world.

[info]yourlibrarian

April 27 2009, 23:56:15 UTC 3 years ago

LOL, well apparently we're still dreaming then! I am continually amazed at how much better our fan artists are at Photoshopping than SPN's art department is.

And yes, I addressed the issue of the car in my episode meta too, and put it down to one of several ghoul lies because it didn't make any sense.

[info]annspal

April 28 2009, 00:30:53 UTC 3 years ago

Great - I'm pulling that up now then! I avoided reading around while trying to process the ep and have lots of catching up to do.

[info]mobiusklein

April 28 2009, 06:40:03 UTC 3 years ago

I found it bizarre Adam was that good of a shot with a gun when shooting with Sam and also, he seemed really calm about discovering he had two brothers.

[info]annspal

April 28 2009, 11:27:52 UTC 3 years ago

The target shooting made me think of the story about what a good shot Dean was (at six or whatever?) and knowing John was proud of him.

I think the season has been filled with calm reactions to bizarre circumstances and that Adam was following Sam's lead. When Adam called John, it was because he had no one else and a missing mother. I'm thinking a couple of big brothers were welcome, but Adam would have had his own issues once the crisis was passed?

[info]essenceofmeanin

April 28 2009, 07:01:40 UTC 3 years ago

holy crap, i completely didn't notice the fact that john took off his wedding ring! O.O

[info]annspal

April 28 2009, 11:36:49 UTC 3 years ago

I know! Somehow that offends me? (In my head, it's wrong like when we see Dean without his ring.)

[info]essenceofmeanin

April 28 2009, 18:25:08 UTC 3 years ago

or his necklace! you're so right -- john taking off his wedding ring was the only thing that shocked me about any of that. it's just so weird!

[info]andreth47

April 28 2009, 10:27:16 UTC 3 years ago Edited:  April 28 2009, 10:30:41 UTC

Nifty meta! Definite resemblance between the Lisa character and Ellen.(I miss Ellen!)

The background to the John/Katy pic looks a lot like Duluth, MN, which is in the north of the state (Windom is in the flat southern part of MN), built on cliffs that go down to the edge of Lake Superior. The period of the houses in the background matches Duluth's look, and Duluth is built on the side of a hill, which is what that background looks like to me. Which is kinda interesting, because Duluth is: 1) a college town (looking for a place to send Adam?), and 2) a popular vacation area, at least 4 hours' drive from Windom.

FWIW...

[info]annspal

April 28 2009, 11:42:14 UTC 3 years ago

Thank you! That helps and I appreciate you taking the time to share. I think your idea of a preliminary college visit makes sense. Well, as much sense as anything within the context of this second family. ;-)

[info]annspal

April 28 2009, 11:52:52 UTC 3 years ago

I'm glad others have picked up on the Ellen vibe from Lisa. Makes the parallels seem intentional on the show's part. \o/

[info]shorofsky

April 28 2009, 14:37:38 UTC 3 years ago

I thought Lisa looked like a mix of Ellen and Mary, too, and she was definitely the type of woman Dean would be comfortable with.

I had a theory about the roses motif in 4x19, that the only character shown interacting with them is Dean, to show that he's morphed into Mary as much as Sam has morphed into John.

Oh yeah, why the HELL did he take off his wedding ring man? Grr.

[info]annspal

April 28 2009, 23:30:12 UTC 3 years ago

the only character shown interacting with them is Dean, to show that he's morphed into Mary as much as Sam has morphed into John.

Oh, yes, I'm sure that's important! And I like Dean incorporating Mary's values as he makes realizations and choices about who he is now.

[info]andreth47

April 28 2009, 18:27:08 UTC 3 years ago

*snorts* Hee!!

It doesn't do to overestimate Show's writers, but in this case, yeah, just maybe.
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